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David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.17 22:03:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:The bottom line is there are many of people with many various play styles in this sandbox called EVE. You are not going to be able to change that anymore than you'll be able to convince real life wackos they are wrong. don't try. Just adapt and and enjoy.
To call gankers "wackos" seems to only really work if what they are doing is irrational. If, in any of the situations you already listed and others not included, they stand to gain something from what they do then it would be clear that what they are doing is very obviously rational.
I keep holding out this thought that eventually miners and other industrialists (I, myself, am an industrialist) will come to understand that PVP is not limited in EVE to flying combat ships and shooting things. My products compete on a larger market with all other products of similar type and cost on the market. If somebody buys your product they have no need to buy mine. I make no profit because you already made it. Naturally, the rational solution is to either modify my production or pricing to compete (Market PVP) or to get rid of the problem (buyouts- market pvp, shoot the competition or steal their stuff - pew pew pvp.)
The moment that anything you do influences my income, we have entered into a PVP zone. If you mine, you affect my costs as a producer. You also influence the prices of the other miners. It would be more irrational for those other miners to "live and let live" instead of taking advantage of every chance to beat you in the pvp arena you are both already part of. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
201
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Posted - 2012.04.19 22:51:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:
To call gankers "wackos" seems to only really work if what they are doing is irrational. Naturally, the rational solution is to either modify my production or pricing to compete (Market PVP) or to get rid of the problem (buyouts- market pvp, shoot the competition or steal their stuff - pew pew pvp.)
Suicide-Ganking of Miners is not Competitive PvP. It is much more akin to a Terrorist Attack.
Loaded language meaning nothing. I'm afraid you can't tack the word "terrorism" or any of its derivatives and call it an argument here. This isn't the US Congress.
If I suicide gank another miner, that's one less producer in a belt. That means that there is that much less material on the market to compete with mine. That then means that the prices of everything influenced by those materials is affected (to whatever degree. PVP is the act (or process, if you prefer) of getting a leg up on another player. I shot your miner and now my products are better off and yours are not. I increase have increase, you have a detriment. PVP |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
201
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Posted - 2012.04.19 22:59:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:The bottom line is there are many of people with many various play styles in this sandbox called EVE. You are not going to be able to change that anymore than you'll be able to convince real life wackos they are wrong. don't try. Just adapt and and enjoy. To call gankers "wackos" seems to only really work if what they are doing is irrational. If, in any of the situations you already listed and others not included, they stand to gain something from what they do then it would be clear that what they are doing is very obviously rational.. You need to read what I wrote over again.. I never called gankers "wackos" (lol, if the shoe fits though...) but you are right there are many ways to work PVP in EVE.
The way you phrased your post implies that gankers are "fake" or "in-game" wackos. Without that sort of implication the second half of the sentence about "real life wackos" would be a non sequitur. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
201
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Posted - 2012.04.19 23:01:00 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:Rocks hazz feelings too 
Gankers are here to protect the rocks! They never consented to being shot at by miners. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.24 23:02:00 -
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Amiar wrote:So much hate in this thread. See'ing the oppinion of both nerd jerks and carebears it seems like in some why all you end up whining about is CCP's changes to game mechanics. It seems like the highsec nerd jerks are in need for highsec to become lowsec. Thus is my question? Why spend your so preciusered hours in a over populated highsec when there's a not so full lowsec for you?
That aint good enough though. Because if you go lowsec you end up getting shot yourself thus it spoils your gameplay. So you choose to stay in highsec, wardec'ing indy corps who supply ships for pvp'ers, suicide gank hulks because you cant shoot anything else or just scam because you see other do it and choose to be just as lazy.
The bottum line is: Want ganks, go lowsec and take upon the games pvp you claim this game to be only. Care about your sec status? Well then theres nullsec.
Highsec are safe heaven and yes you can make isk there, but as much as in low or null? I doubt it. With risk comes isk.
So stop the bullshit about market control or whatever, because if you claim that, you'll look like one of the types mentioned above.
So which one are you? A pvp'er or a carebear. Highsec = carebear. Lowsec/null = PvP'er.
See its posts like this that just give people that already enjoy ganking you more ammo to do so. You're so fundamentally out of touch with the way that EVE works. High sec never has been and never should become a PVP-free zone. The sooner you understand this, the sooner you will understand what EVE is about. EVE is not a theme park. EVE is not a guided tour. EVE is a sandbox and every choice has a series of possible outcomes. Miners gather materials and put them on the market. When prices compete on the market, PVP happens. Gankers shoot miners, PVP happens. Low and Null ships shoot each other for whatever reason, PVP happens. One fleet loads up local with all manner of the finest spam so that the other side doesn't have the chance to taunt or jeer back, PVP happens.
One of these days you'll either face the fact that you are playing a PVP game or keep operating in ignorance wondering why people don't play the game you think you're playing how you think it is meant to be played. |
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